Also is 27:52 past tense or present sorry to keep bothering you but these are it, Because you said 27:52 said they are destroyed fallen buy 89:9 makes it sound like there still standing clean and like brand new etc, 5. Hence, they had become very rich. Much of the lineage provided before Ma'ad relies on biblical genealogy, so questions persist concerning the accuracy of this segment of Adnanite Arab genealogy. BUY ISLAMIC BOOKS by The Sincere Seeker for Adults & Children on AMAZON: https://www.amazon.com/thesincereseekerFOLLOW The Sincere Seeker on social media to . Honestly I dont understand the confusion at and all of it has been dealt with above. Verily, Thamud disbelieved in their Lord. and make your home on the heights, [11] An important exception is a temple at al-Ruwfa in northwestern Saudi Arabia, built by the Thamd themselves in the 160s CE. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. No doubt! Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. [16] Scarcity of water and of permanent pastoral land required them to move constantly. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. As for their dates, I do not know and it is not necessary that they would have to be very close to each other. These verses can be found in multiple books, we will focus on Obadiah and Jeremiah. 27:52 means that their dwellings were destroyed but visible to the onlookers and the Prophet () and the Sahaba saw them but we cannot see them today Yusuf Ali. If the Nabateans carved out the structures on the hills and mountains of Petra and Median Saleh, as the Christians allege, then both the Quran and the Bible are in error, which I dont agree with. So bring on whatever punishment you say is coming to us.. Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. JazakAllah, Thats fine I know that is just the way some people talk I talk to the point because Im using a mobile so I have to keep as short as possible my problem with the verse was normally when it says travel the land or as such its talking about nations close and the nations close to the Arabs were ad and thamud so some say that this verse is saying the quran thinks these buildings were built by thamud but we know they were built by the nabtions not thamud but we know the quran is not wrong so how do we explain that verse jazzakkallah because it makes it sound like that is this verse speaking in the present tense or past like tilka arabic and lam arabic jazzakkallah thanks for the help, Its like the same problem with 40:21 40:82 it sounds like thamud and pointing to these tombs etc but we know it cant be so how do we explain this as well jazzakkallah, And 27:52 because people say this sounds like it as well the kawatan arabic means empty so it sounds like it saying these tombs as well but it is mainly 28:58 I have the problem with jazzakkallah. And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. Moreover, they cultivated fertile land and gained lots of benefit from it. The Qurn saysand remember how he made you succeedd and lodged you in the land. Instead, the camel is killed by a certain "accursed Amar", and the camel's foal stands upon a rock and curses Thamud, leading to the tribe's annihilation except for a single lame woman who is spared to spread the message of the destruction. He said, "My people, just think: if I did have clear proof from my Lord, and if He had given me mercy of His own, who could protect me from God if I disobeyed Him? Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. The tribes of Arabia descend from either one of the two Arab ancestors, Adnan or Qahtan. As for objection number one, as far as my research has shown, the only reason that the carved-out structures are considered tombs is due to various rectangular carved out niches inside them where the dead bodies were to be placed. As also 'Ad and Thamud, and the Companions of the Rass, and many a generation between them. Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. The following commentary on the verses from Obadiah, found in biblestudytools.com, is rather revealing. The shout, which is an extremely loud sound, might have caused the earthquake, according to certain scholars. If you keep that mindset, youll go far, Inshallah. The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. Salam. I am unsure if the root word but atharan can mean impact. Because inscriptions cannot be relied upon with 100 percent certainty, its possible that the inscriptions are Nabatean while the structures are not. MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . They lived in the kingdom of Edom, which is about 200 or so miles from Madian Saleh, where, supposedly, the Quranic Thamud lived, although the Thamud could have lived in multiple areas, including Petra 3. Theyre mentioned in 25:38 and 50:12. What do u think? Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. Witch out of these 7 does it sound more what the verses are saying or does it mean something other than these 7 Hud tried to reason with his people by reminding them of the many favors Allah had given them. Abdullah ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: . Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally The arguments against the Quran and Hadith are as follows: Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih) UNESCO World Heritage Centre. Several other inscriptions bearing the namesAad and Iram have been discovered in Jordan. Many centuries elapse before we find Thamud again in the textual record, though their name crops up many times in (undated) inscriptions throughout North Arabia. The Quran and Sunnah do not identify any specific existing ruins as belonging to the first ancient tribe of Thamud, although some Muslim historians and popular folklore have done so. Does 22:45 say thamud castles and palaces are empty in the present tense with the well or is this verse talking about something else, 13. Asking the deceased for supplications or intercession? The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. But certainly, there is some potential that something like this may have happened. Sahih International. One Who missed the Friday Prayer should pray Zuhr: Moving the Finger in Tashahhud : Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. : | _ books. Ala-Maududi. Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, He replaced the people of the Flood with the Aad and then replaced the Aad with the Thamud. The Thamud were Arabs, and the Bible tells us in Genesis 28:9 that Esauthe father of the Edomites married into the Ishmaelites, so that makes Edomites half Arabs also. I will post the links here for now. There is no special connection between these scripts and the tribe of Thamud. What else do you have in mind They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. By declining the noun Thamud or not, it means the region or the tribe. [30], In the 12th century, the Arab Ja'alin tribe migrated into Nubia and Sudan and formerly occupied the country on both banks of the Nile from Khartoum to Abu Hamad. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger . Of course, only Allah knows the truth. Even though we dont know for sure how this succession took place, I like to think that perhaps there were a few survivors from that windstorm that wiped them out. 5. Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. This also makes it clear that the people were punished. [10], Arab Islamic sources state that the Thamud were an early Arab tribe that had gone extinct in ancient days. Yes, the Thamd denied their Lordso away with the Thamd! Personallhy, I think that number is too soon. 1. They were successors to the People of Noah. Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best. According to Saudi-archeology website, an academic website aimed at archiving the rock images and providing archeological information on them, the structure may have been used for holding sacred feasts. We have a good perspective of the size of these supposed tombs in this picture, as the faade has been destroyed. He said, O my people, worship Allah; you have no deity other than Him. Now imagine if people arrive from Latin America, find Mount Rushmore, and make a few inscriptions on it. As Suleyman Dost observes, The Qurns reference to rock-cut dwellings fits the picture perfectly with the exception that these carved niches do not seem to have functioned as living areas3, Returning to textual references, Diodorus, a Greek historian writing in the first century BC, mentions a group called Thamoudnoi in North-Western Arabia4. of 'Ad and Thamud by name. And perhaps, using the knowledge, culture, and technology from the Aad, they established a new society. Meaning ibn kathir thought these tombs were built by thamud as well but got it wrong, I agree also Im of the opion the hadith witch says dont enter the dwellings I think the prophet said dont enter the lands not houses because there are only 4 hadith witch mention that and 3 of them doesnt have the arabic word for dwelling there any way thats why dwelling is in brackets also the one hadith what does mention dwelling in arabic misken can mean land any way because it is used in the quran and there are some places it is translated as dwelling places not literally houses so Im of the opion the prophet was saying dont enter the land and even if it did mean houses it could be that there were a few bricks in the valley plain there and that is what he meant because if it was the same area then that is why some people think the prophet meant the nabateans buildings jazzakkallah also in verse 40:21 out of the 8 theorys I have put down witch one do you think is the right one what does atharan mean to you jazzakkallah because if it means remains then it just means there were just a bit of large bricks broken pillars there witch just shows they were better than the Arabs jazzakkallah what could be what the prophet meant dont enter the fallen down houses what ever left of there builds like a few large bricks and broken pillars, Also those 4 hadith dont mention thamud by name in just says the land of al hijr or the people of al hijr or region of al hijr but never thamud but yes I agree with the well but there are Wells all over the region of al hijr like al ula and such also al hijr might be anywhere with a rocky area like yemon or jordan also there is a place in oman called al hijr so could be anywhere like yemon also there is a place called thamud in yemon near where ad lived near hadramawt so you see what I mean could be there, Assalam alikum I was just wondering how do we explain 28:58 witch nation is it talking about and is it talking in past or present tense because this verse sounds like its talking about thamud those buildings witch were built by nabtions. in general: W. Caskel, amharat an-Nasab, das genealogische Werk des Him Ibn Muammad al-Kalb, Leiden 1966. harvnb error: no target: CITEREFElling2013 (. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. Then remember the favors of Allah and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption. [7:73. Though one could argue that they knew of Salih and hence Allah could hold them responsible, but this is speculation. There is no good reason to suggest that these tombs never served as a place of dwelling, as they are large enough to do so. The Quran does not make any claim about the historicity of specific sites, but rather enjoins the believers to reflect upon the many ruins of idolatrous societies throughout Arabia as a lesson in the futility of disobedience to Allah. Previous ones may have fallen and replaced by Nabateans but during the time of the Prophet (), there did remain buildings of Thamud and who knows, they might still be there today but undiscovered by archaeologists. As for the conclusion that Ashab al-Hijr were not Thamud, I think this is rather unwarranted. They boasted of their physical strength, and power; they thought that this would protect them from Allh's punishment. But we can conclude from the verses of the Quran that they lived sometime after the flood of Noah and before the time of Ibrahim (AS). But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). (sorry for all the writting just answer the atharan bit and the 7 things I just wrote Down it doesnt matter about that long paragraph in the middle), Or bonus it just means they were better in building houses on past witch you cant see anymore like effects in 30:50, Any thoughts Bro sorry to keep bothering you with this, Aoa 89:9 is in past tense. And of course, they were also polytheists. The Qu'ran (89: 6-13) refers to the 'Ad people; the unique high peaks of Iram, and the Thamud who carved the rocks there, and has been interpreted as an account of how 'Allah dealt harshly with the people of 'Ad who were corrupted by wealth and the delights of the flesh. [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. (2/380-381), The inscriptions of al-Hijr are the remnants of the Nabateans. The Quran itself says that the dwellings of Thamud were khawiyatan during the time of the Qurans revelation. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). There was a long period of royal authority and sedentary culture. Think over this in detail. And you said the inside has to be bigger how big do you think it has to be inside like the inside of petra or smaller or bigger and how many rooms do you think there should of been or do you think the inside of madion al saleh is the right size sorry for all the questions but these are it then I wont ask any more questions Im justin putting them all so then thats it jazzakkallah, This is also part of 4. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. Because were left with no records which can help in our archeological inquiry, even dating the structures becomes a difficult, and perhaps, an impossible task. Thus, if the Quran is in error about the identities of whoever carved out the structures in Madian Salehor wherever else the Thamud livedthe Bible is also in error when it claims a pre-Nabatean people carved out structures in the mountains of Edom. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Al-Bu, Albu, Banu. [24] Whether the poem is genuinely by Umayya or is a post-Islamic creation is a matter of debate. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. The glorious Qur'an considered the people of 'Ad after Nuh (a); when it says, "and that it is He who destroyed the former 'Ad", "The former 'Ad" were the people of Prophet Hud (a) who lived after the people of Nuh (a) and before the people of Thamud. The earliest known mention of this new 'Thamud' in historical sources is is a 715 BC inscription of the Assyrian king Sargon II, which mentions them as being among the people of eastern and central Arabia subjugated by the Assyrians. The blast struck the evildoers and they lay dead in their homes, as though they had never lived and flourished there. The Arabs then could see Thamud dwellings but we today cannot. I just had the chance to look at the comments now and I dont seem to understand the problem here. Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. 6. In sura 15, there seems to be a chronological order: At first the story of Adam (as) is mentioned (26-50), then the story of Abraham (as) and Lot (as) (51-77), then the story of the people of al-Rass,i.e. [28] Numerous rock writings and pictures traditionally attributed to the Thamd have been found on Mount Athlab and throughout central Arabia; though labeled Thamdic, they actually reflect a diverse set of ancient Semitic dialects used by various Arabian tribes. Other ahadith mention that this was the land of Thamud ie. Id hate to be the one to rain on the holy Christian parade, but this inanity has to be responded to. But the fact that they spitefully killed an animal that had done them no harm and for no good reason is proof and a sign of their evil. Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. [24] These tribes advanced in large numbers all the way to Morocco, contributing to a more extensive ethnic, genetic, cultural, and linguistic Arabization in the region. And Ad and Thamud-it must be clear to you from their dwelling places! But given the possibility that these ruins could have once been created, either completely or partially, by the Thamud and taken later by the Edomites in Petra and then the Nabateans, who inscribed graffiti on themtheir inscriptions are exactly thator even carved out recesses inside of them, there isnt an unsurmountable problem. It is large enough to house individuals, should they have chosen to live inside them. And take for yourselves palaces and fortresses that you may abide eternally?Chapter 26, Verses 128 129. It was He who brought you into being from the earth and made you inhabit it, so ask forgiveness from Him, and turn back to Him: my Lord is near, and ready to answer." As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. [20] The traditional Muslim view is that the destruction of Thamud occurred before the prophethood of Abraham. Even if the prophet saw these exact structures which are visible today and we can, hypothetically, prove beyond a shadow of doubt that no one ever lived in them, and he took them to be the dwellings of the Thamud, that isnt a major problem. Allah says: `Say, O Muhammad, to these idolators who disbelieve in the message of truth that you have brought: If you turn away from that which I have brought to you from Allah, then I warn you of the punishment of Allah like the . Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). If accurate, the Prophet Salih (s) would have lived many generations and perhaps centuries before Moses. Follow the great majority of Muslims today? Here you can read various translations of verse 38. He who had faith said (to Pharaoh and his company): O my people, I fear for you the likes of the day of the confederates, the likes of the fate of the people of Noah, Ad, and Thamud and those after them. Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. Also two Saheeh reports are contradicting each other: One the one hand, they are resting at al Hijr, while on the other hand it is said that they didnt rest at all and kept riding away faster from Hijr. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. After several centuries of independent existence, it was finally incorporated into the Roman empire in 106 AD. A Brief History of ` Ad and Thamud ` Ad is the name of a person who is in the fifth generation after Sayyidna Nuh ( ) and is among the progeny of his son Sam. The people of Noah, when they denied the Messengers, We drowned them and made them a sign for people We have prepared for wrongdoers a painful punishment and Ad, Thamud, the companions of the well, and many generations between them. The Nabateans Secondly, 15:81 makes it clear that they denied a Messenger sent to them and were destroyed as a consequence. 3. We do not believe in the Bible the way it is today. The buildings of Thamud may or may not have remained but the well did exist then It is generic for multitude of civilizations There are countless artists, pundits, and celebrities who mock Allah, His Messenger (pbuh), and Islam. 2) The dwellings of Thamud are elsewhere in the valley of Hijr. How do we explain 27:52 29:38 22:45 28:58 91:14, Assalam alie kum, it is a good attempt to answer the criticism of the of the people who have always found some crookedness to stand their point against Islam. - _ taf . Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. And so, when Our command was fulfilled, by Our mercy We saved li and his fellow believers from the disgrace of that day. The facades vary in height and in the richness of their decorations. See the video here (arabic): https://youtu.be/yjRjkjQ-VEA, Me however I lean towards that Madain Saleh is not the place for the Quranic Thamud like Dr Thiaeb (linguist of ancient arabic and archeologist) has been repeatedly saying at least since 1995, because among other reasons that Madain Saleh lacks all the marks of Gods wrath, the earth quake levelling Thamud etc. Then, his progeny, and his people, came to be known by the name of ` Ad. I hope the Christians, after having read this, will decide to do whats ethical and moral. you will be utterly despised. A Reminder of the Story of 'Aad and Thamud by Ibn Kathir, taken from Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 8 Darussalam 2000 As for `Ad, they were arrogant in the land without right and they said: 'Who is mightier than us in strength?' See they not that Allah Who created them was mightier in strength than them. What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. 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