All one had to do is insert a sole liner, of wear thicker socks. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The double monks a little harder but getting there. I spoke to folks at Carmina and got somewhat mixed opinions, the wrench in the equation being size variances on the lasts for both unlined and shell materials. Its a bit funny though that you state I do arbitrary claims, when you yourself lift the examples you do, without backing it up with anything. Both of my pinky toes stick slightly out, sometimes I say I have splayed toes, but it's really just the pinky toe on each foot likes a bit of room. Thanks for your efforts! Still being worn with same sock thickness as the other Parkhurst last. Finally somebody else who has experienced Meermin shoes as very hard to break in. The shoe soles of the Carminas are truly some of the best in the market today. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. Bespoke obviously solves this but I dont care enough about the other elements you get and pay for with bespoke, or perhaps I just think 2k+ is too much and I suspect (hope?) First impressions tell us most of what we need to know about certain products. As of late, I found that the cost differential between Crockett & Jones and Carmina has become more significant. Please use this thread to list your sizing in various lasts compared to your Brannock size. I like my shoes with a long point extra shiny..low like Aldos The ball of my foot is at the widest part of the boot. The new El Salvador ones were too tight and I'd require a 10.5. Edward Green does for example. Although Carmina shoes are more expensive than Meermin shoes, there is so much value that you can get when you make that extra investment to get them. 9.5D heel to toe. Guessing I'd need 9.5D or 9EE. 3. Thats the opposite advice I received on rain from someone else. Also, the chunky sole and derby construction arent that suited to suits. Their last is made for the Japanese feet, which are flatter in general with a smaller heel. You know what youre getting. Its particularly difficult with Oxfords, a Meermin Linea Maestra in a narrow width is the only pair I have that Id say fits spot on, all others are uncomfortable if I need to walk for a decent distance. Theyre not as refined as the other Asian brands, but stand out for making Goodyear in the old-school way, stitching directly to the insole. So, rather than the gemming method that most modern Goodyear shoes have, where a canvas ribbing is used instead. * **Alden Aberdeen** 9D loosened up a bit with wear, * **Alden Van** 8.5D comfortable in shell, * **Antonio Meccariello Aeris Soft Square** 8.5UK excellent fit, * **Antonio Meccariello Chisel II** 8.5UK bit loose all round, I suspect half a size down would have fit better but a become a bit tight at the pinky toe, * **Berwick1707 240** 42EU quite snug all round, perfect for a summer loafer, * **Carlos Santos 1944/r1s** 8UK fantastic loafer fit, * **Carlos Santos 401/s** 8UK forefoot a bit roomy, * **Carmina Pina** 8UK too much heel slip for a loafer, * **Carmina Simpson** 8.5UK instep too low, * **Clematis Ginza unknown oxford last** 8UK (made by Joe Works, also too low an instep), * **Common Projects Achilles Low** 41EU Fits but toe box feels too low, * **Common Projects Achilles Low** 42EU Great fit, * **Crockett & Jones 314** 8EUK snug all round, not much toe room, * **Edward Green 184** 8.5UK fantastic loafer fit. Being from the UK my first proper pair of shoes at University were a pair of Loake 1880s they were fine and really all I needed at the time. Carmina Rain: UK 11 (best fitting Carmina last for me) Carmina Inca: UK 11 (too tight across instep) Carmina Forest: UK 11.5 (snug instep) Carmina Simpson: my feet are too wide for this last. This separates footwear from most of fashion and it feels good to support the companies that work towards this. Permanent Style is the UK authority on classic and luxury menswear. The soles have also had some quality issues my shoes have channeled soles, and the top layer has peeled off repeatedly at the edges. I suspect 8UK would have been better, * **Enzo Bonafe 74945** 8UK perfect fit, snug around the heel and ball with a comfortable instep but still toe room, * **Enzo Bonafe 804** 7.5UK fits a bit better than 8UK, 8UK has a lot of heel slip in shell boots, * **Enzo Bonafe 062** 8UK fits similarly to 804 7.5UK. For Alongside the quality of the leather, something thats lost at this lower price level is consistency. Im happy I earn enough now to not care about this market segment any longer. Alden Van: 10D - Good fit. One thing I could never understand is why, from lower to higher price points, RTW makers dont provide more width options. Is higher volume though. Interesting ! Way too narrow and painful all around, last too tapered for my taste. However, I continue to buy loafers from Allen Edmonds because they sell shoes that come in 4-5 widths, so its easy for someone with narrow feet to find loafers that fit and wont fall off. However, after having broken in the heel of my 9.5E MP, I feel like I would have actually been just fine going straight 9.5E. Interesting. They also have thin rubber soles throughout, which some people like more, but is cheaper as well.. Viberg 2030D 9: The 9D is probably the best fit I have from Viberg, or tied with the 2040. Snug in the forefoot and toebox but not tight. Leo 9.5E: Excellent fit with thin socks. Very nice article. * **Oriental Shoemaker unknown oxford last** 8.5US is comfortable but instep is too low. Simon: I understand that there are certain differences between more expensive shoes and less expensive shoes. I shouldn't have slept on it), Monitaly Shawl Field Jacket - Black Herringbone 38, The unofficial NMWA Buy/Sell Thread (a.k.a. Are there other difference? I wear a US10/UK9 and opted for a UK9, on Pepe's recommendation, and the fit is spot on. Its just a selection of brands, and focus were on cheaper shoes than J. FitZpatrick (although he has a new lower-priced range coming). It is good with athletic socks. Its a solid fit. Simon's books and product collaborations are available to buy through the Permanent Style shop. I think the short answer is that yes, it is expensive to add an extra width across all shoes. Guess it goes to show how individual it all is. This helped me understand why sizing as 10D was actually very bad advice and never worked out well. Many thanks Simon as usual for the very informative article. Noel: That was the point I was trying to make, when I wrote: whats my experience, and I know for many others as well who have good bespoke shoes, is that the experience of wearing them, with the snug comfortable fit, excellent arch support etc, widely triumph wearing RTW/MTO Goodyear welted shoes. in 9D my feet can slide right out. Its just not possible.. Apart from the differences in material qualities, a major difference between Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes is the price tags that these shoes are sold and distributed for. The two lasts I mentioned are super comfortable straight out of the box, and I can wear them all day without the slightest discomfort. C&J E vs. F, does the wider shoe has the same heel fit/width than the smaller one? Carmina Shoes - Definitive Thread (reviews, advice, sizing, etc) - official thread. The English brands at this price level are Loake (1880 range, above) and Barker, both of whom make their uppers in Asia to cut down on costs. Certainly if I looked at them close up I could tell, and I could also tell if I was wearing them. Id put them at around Barker/Loake territory, perhaps slightly better. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I have to say from personal experience I found Berwick to be the most incredible value. Lets not forget also that a bespoke shoe with a fiddle-back waist and angled heels can also have an element of vanity (albeit smaller than a watch). Carmina vs Meermin: First glance Sounds like a nice choice of shoes. Of course manufacturing anything is significantly cheaper in Spain than the UK so the Spanish manufacturers are off to a good start in that regard with labour costs. Down by half. Less so in the winter. They both have a very knowledgeable blog dedicated to shoes. You talk a lot about nicer shoes on PS and how they are much nicer. https://eu.jmweston.com/en/collections/bottines-homme/products/edouard-chukka-boot-homme-cuir-veau-velours-marron-fonce, Thats certainly a risk with some French brands, but not usually with Weston. See and interact with all Instagram stories @PermanentStyleLondon. Trickers 4497s: 8.5 is a little too short, while 9 feels too big in most pairs. I think calling things cost-effective when you just mean cheaper would be a needless euphemism. The two brands are roughly the same level of make, with the price difference largely coming down to costs of labour in the UK and Spain. Its hard to say since theyre Chelsea boots, which means breaking in isnt as much of an issue as with lace-up shoes. Meermins can be bought at prices between $160 and $210 in the online and offline marketplaces today. Please support us by using them. At Styleforum, youll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis. Morjas definitely makes decent shoes, even though I wouldnt recommend buying any pair with leather soles, as these are the worst soles Ive ever encountered. If you don't have a lot of volume I would be pretty cautious with their loafers. The US has several brands that fit into this discussion - some old, some new. I did have a little heel slip in the beginning that went away. Very comfortable, great instep for oxfords, * **Trickers W2298** 8UK a bit tight at the toes, perfectly snug everywhere else, * **Trickers 4444** 8UK tiny bit of heel slip, fits like a dream at the ball, * **Thomas George Jackas** 7.5UK a bit roomy. Bought before I understood my size. Think Ill grab a pair of black calf Trickers first, then see how I go. (Vibergs cxl is different to Thursday boots cxl.). Barker has indeed several models in corrected grain, you find them under hi-shine on their own website. Like I said, it wont work for everyone, but might be an option if on a budget. I was about to replace my decades old AE McAllisters with a new one, but upon inspection, the newer shoe (same model) had wonky stitching and sloppy finishing. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); Footslide.com is a full-time participant of the Amazon Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, 2023 Footslide.com | All Rights Reserved. There's a tiny bit more room at the ball too now. Customers complain that the Meermin shoes are often poorly finished. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! Thursday Vanguard 9.5D: Toe box is a bit tapered for my liking, but overall fit is so-so. When changing the width of a shoe e.g. I have given up after several wears as the blisters arent worth it. But in the same moment, I realised this was unfair. Very hard to break in and stiff leathers. I acknowledge I am emotionally attached to AE, it was the first quality brand I could access. That said, something in the post did strike me negatively, on a subject I previously had been puzzled about: appraisal of Allen Edmonds. Indeed, stylistically they are even quite close. Like the arbitrary claim that the soles on English soles wear out more quickly than European ones. Carminas actually have better fits than Meermin shoes. Bought before I understood my size. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, flexible, and relaxing than the Meermins. The shoe also felt very light, like it was cheaply constructed. Red Wing Iron Rangers (Last 8): 10D, forefoot stretched to be very comfortable. This is certainly true, and prices mentioned in this article are towards each brands respective domestic markets.. Whats interesting is that for US customers it can go both ways depending on guidelines/restrictions from the brands. In my experience, AE is not second to the former neither in leather quality nor make, and features more comfortable footbeds (especially vs Carmina), only it is not as sleek. men's size 6D with my thickest socks; my dream would be a size 5.5 in this last: 6D Meermin Hiro Derby: 4.5: UK: . Feels okay but gets painful in the midfoot as the day progresses. Finally, its worth noting that they have a very robust MTO program where customers can customize lasts and detailing, and they also use a lot of crust calf, where other makers on this list (besides possibly the Asian ones) only use aniline. Will never purchase from that brand again. Initially uncomfortably tight across the vamp in shell and with moderate heal slip. Nice to hear your journey Joshua. He knows the market back to front and is a lovely gent. Carminas just dont break down easily. High Top vs Low Top Boxing Shoes: Which Is Best for You? Theyre the only pair from this collection that I got out of the box and went wow. Im trying to decide between the following two options: 1) Myrqvist Molle Loafers @ 151 per pair, 2) Trickers Elton Loafers @ 225 per pair (on sale). I ultimately gave up on mine. (I think I prefer the darker colour of the first). The C&J hangrade, however, is another story. Some can only be purchased at high upcharge compared to what they cost in Europe, while some can be bought from European retailers with free shipping, VAT deducted and no customs charge (as long as below $800) so they come out 15-20% cheaper than they cost in Europe. TLB Mallorca: I own a wingtip on the Alan last. Simon wrote that it is expensive to add an extra width across all shoes. And all the time there are new makers trying to offer quality for a little less, for a saving of 50 perhaps - or trying to up their quality at the same price. Thanks for the response. There is decent toe room in spite of how tapered the chisel last looks. As been mentioned by Simon, dont see it as a complete list of brands, its just a selection of ones to highlight, theres plenty of good brands not mentioned (and plenty of less good ones as well). Dedicated to informing, teaching, and sharing. This is interesting my experience is the complete opposite. Another area where a lot of the English makers fall down, at this price level and below, is the soles, which arent as good as Spanish brands in general. Many people have fallen in love with the Carminas because of how good-looking they are. Everyone in London should visit John and ask for his advice on shoes. 11D would've been better out of the box but CXL is very forgiving. For reference, previous sizing threads 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 for extra data points. I dont think either has changed in their quality, no. E. D. E. Wide. I feel much less tired in my feet after a long day, and if one have a bit problematic feet it will be an even bigger difference.. RM Williams Comfort Craftsman: 9.5G AUS - Great fit. The same is true for the tailors and the small number of shops I use for RTW clothing. Thanks for the personal comment it is very helpful and interesting, Any thoughts about the German brand Hammerstein? Sadly brands like Edward Green, Lobb and Cleverly are now so beyond my price point that I wonder if theyre now in the realm of diminishing returns? Arch support is nowhere near the 55 last but feels much more substantial than any other maker listed. 240 Last 9.5: Bad fit. It's a strange feeling last, but I can make it work. Loake 024 last (F-Fit): 7UK a bit tight around toes and heel. Ive always found the customer service at EG shocking. Premium Leather Uppers stitched down well with Goodyear Welting strategies make the Carmina shoes to be one of the most well-finished shoes that we have had the privilege of wearing. Id like to add a little comment on the Vietnam shoe makers here. heel and instep grips without the toe being too restrictive, * **Edward Green 82** 8.5UK pretty good forefoot with too much heel slip. You might also care more with a dress oxford than a casual loafer. I have room for my toes, but my foot isnt rattling around. I own a pair of JL Lopez loafers (995) and a pair of Cheaney Lewisham (380) and with the exception of the fact that JL claim a hand stitched apron, I cant see any qualitative difference whatsoever. Nobody wants a bad fitting pair of strides but at least they wont cause you physical pain. I appreciate that it takes time and skill and thus affects cost, it just doesnt matter a ton to me as it doesnt have a meaningful effect on how the shirt wears or looks. Velasca is an Italian brand that has become popular (they opened on Chiltern Street recently) as has German brand Shoepassion (which makes in Spain). Assuming that none have cracks or discolorations, are there significant differences in how different grades of suede used for shoes wear over time? I think that chukka looks nice. I have a review of a pair of them here on Shoegazing: https://shoegazing.com/2016/08/12/review-crownhill-shoes-the-stewart/. The only running shoes for me. Ive around 20 pairs of Carmina, 2 of C&J mainline and a dozen of C&J hangrade. Ive never heard of it or tried it, and probably wouldnt in the future as I say at the top of this most, this isnt my area of expertise really. I have loafers on their Xim and they're too big for my by a hair. Check Availability Meermin Wingtips Review 511 last 10D: Bad fit. Or about 9.5D right foot and 9.4D left foot. However, a really bright or unsual patina has never really been my style, and is becoming even less so. Its got a bit of a shorter toe relative to the heel to ball. Oscar - 8 UK Carmina - Rain - 7.5 UK J. Fitzpatrick - TMG - 7.5 UK Meermin - Rui - 7.5 . Brannock Size: 10D/E with flat feet and extra wide around instep. Switching to thin socks gives a very relaxed fit. The quality would probably tell more in the calf than the suede too, so makes sense to do it that way around. However about 5 years ago they reached some export deals with local retailers here in Canada and is sold here for over 500, where I used to get them shipped from England for 2-300. Im a long term Crockett and Jones customer I buy main line and handgrade (I prefer the handgrade for the softness of the leather and the whole leather inner, which feels lovely). And nice finishing and detailing as you mentioned. Crownhill is decent stuff as well, especially the material level for the price is good. Even though mine are lace-ups, breaking in has actually been very easy and I also feel like they are totally worth the money. There is a great day out to be had (or was) visiting the factory shops of the main makers in and around Northampton. C&J do not run their own shops. So yes, you get more durable suede shoes higher up in the price ranges. To put JC on the same shelf as JL, EG, STC and the like is certainly a stretch. They used to offer calf leather and Goodyear welting at incredible prices though the soles would wear quickly and their shops recommended Topy. TLB Artista full review here Not having a physical shop makes a small difference, as does not selling wholesale or using an agent, but that doesnt translate to a shoe thats twice the quality. Even for me and I have narrower feet than the average man. Morjas uses corrected-grain leather, despite their claims to the contrary. and the results for the money where quite good.at a distance, you could mistake them for Berluti, at 1/4 the price. Meermin US UK Narrow. Was no question about it in any of the cases). Unfortunately they offer less Goodyear welted shoes these days. @ Matty, if your initial post was relatively friendly and good natured Im sure you would have gotten a similar reply. Thanks, which makes them a bit of a bargin at the moment with 20% off. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Unstructured toe box feels a touch low, * **Yanko 955** 7.5UK fits snug but comfortable with thin socks to start. very lucky to have bought 8 pairs of EG at a big discount so my shoe cupboard is overflowing and needs to be trimmed now The only issue is that the classic range is very stiff, and hard to break in. Im happy to pay a bit more for that consistency and service. Hmm, thanks for highlighting that Francois. Do you think a knowledgeable observer like yourself could tell the difference in leather quality when they are being worn on someone elses feet (can you spot the difference in leather quality between CJ and EG when someone else is wearing them and your eyes are 6 plus feet away)? I would instead recommend taking this last TTS and just wearing thick socks as sometimes it can run small. 65 last 10D: Bad fit. I have a pair of 9D shell chukkas that fits well, but after 2 months still has a little heel slip. Dont buy both together though do buy one then the other, just to make sure you do like that style and fit etc. Thing is that, not referring to Berluti necessarily now, but we do see a number of very famous bespoke shoemakers, not least in England, who the past years have started to put out shoes that arent properly made and/or have a proper fit. Also, as this pair is the kind of a pair of is, this hasn't been in the easiest environments. That would be much less possible for me at higher price points. 10 Best Ortholite Replacement Insoles (Reviewed in 2022), 11 Best Water Shoes for Water Parks | Footslide, Highly-Durable Shoe Construction and Design, Meermins dont last as long as Carmina shoes, You can get most Carminas for cost prices between 341 and 407, You can buy Meermin shoes for prices between $160 and $210. I had the hope it would get softer and stretch a bit. Wapmaxi Time To Change 2015Meermin & Carmina Boot Sizing and Review Hey all, been a bit since I've posted but I stopped by both Meermin and Carmina in NYC the other day and thought I'd share my opinions for guys looking at either or both for fall boot wearing. Carmina shoes are well-fitting shoes that grip your feet firmly on the go so that you get more balance and stability in your motions. Thus, not likely to be much different from your C&J in terms of make, but the last and the leather may differ. Best fitting Viberg last, comfortable from day one, even more than the newer 2030, but this has a little bit extra arch support and has some anatomical properties as well due to being a munson style. Carminas are really chic, classy, and fashionable. The soles are more durable, the calf leather takes polish better and ages better, elements of the make lead to extra comfort (as do the materials), the make is finer and so looks better, and so on. It is still quite hard to fathom the yearly price increases on EG shoes given their pitiful customer service. My personal experience I can unreservedly recommend Allen Edmonds (the Strand in particular). Among the many pairs I tried a pair of color 8 CXL beefrolls were the best fitting. Theres so many men who more or less only buy bespoke tailoring, and who can spend enormous amount of money on watches etc. Because the level is higher, and also because I wasnt that impressed with Myrqvist either, personally. CARMINA belvtor.by - CARMINA 100% 10016 U www.clinicarinologica.com - 6.5 CARMINA ecovitaconstrutora.com.br 17,500 . Onderhound New Buteo 41.5: Volume is a little high, but the width and arch length are bang on. The comment is only in reference to leather. AE has excellent customer service to this day. Many thanks in advance, If you want something that very versatile, I wouldnt go with burgundy. Alden Aberdeen: 9.5E fits me really well with medium socks. I just had the opportunity to try on some Carminas in store. I cant comment as to what anything is like higher up the scale but they are both the best looking and most comfortable shoes I own (more than my hiking boots or running shoes). The Shelby boot has a lower instep as a result of the pattern as well. Please dont take offence, I am just dead curious about it. In terms of value I would say CJ handgrade. * **Viberg 2030** 8 snug but not too tight, * **Viberg 2030** 8.5 a bit loose in the heel in CXL, comfortable when laced tightly all the way up, * **Winson OLD Edlyn** EU41 sized on advice of Emil via foot measurements, a touch short. Quoddy maliseets in lined suede: 11D, fits amazingly. Pinky toe pinches a touch, * **Meermin Bob** 8UK a hint loose at the heel, but snug at the forefoot, * **Meermin Elton** 8UK very snug to start, much more comfy now, * **Meermin Olfe** 8.5UK could've probably gone down to 8UK but is still pretty comfortable, surprisingly not too slippy. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, stable, flexible, durable, and stylish than the Meermin shoes. You have aimed at a balance of smart casual, RTW / MTM / bespoke really useful and affordable; you have catered for all. They wear down quickly." Vans Old Skool/Era: 11D, solid out of the box. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. More disclosure is called for before putting a disclaimer on others situation. I'm looking at a cobbler union in a 312 last they recommended 1.5 down from brannock. I used to be in England regularly, but missed the chance to check out their below-5 widths. Lovely article! When I was measured at Alden Madison and an AE store, both actually said I should lean toward 10D TTS, due to my flat feet and low instep, which led to many bad purchases. Plain black Oxfords from Churchs who are near the rail station. There might be a wide heel seat, for example, but then even some expensive English shoes like John Lobb have that.. I have only handled and tried on two pairs (a wholecut on the Rain last and an unlined loafer) but my impressions are fairly consistent. Theyre perhaps most similar to Skolyx, in being a very simple make but with good materials. Here the belittling is by Jesper, but somehow feels like follow-through of the same swing. 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