Some point out that Thanos' goal was to prevent overpopulation in the universe, and it's also possible that he knew of the Celestials and how they emerge. With taking courses involving film, Ben has extensive knowledge of movies both new and old, and keeps up to date on all the latest goings-on in the film industry. Strange wasn't after stopping Thanos. A similar decision was taken by Stephen who can see into the multiverse when he handed Thanos the Time Stone, which seemed ridiculous at first but was necessary to save his reality. They all play an important part in the battle and in Endgame. In fact, Avengers: Secret Wars title logo and color scheme seem to signal Doctor Dooms Secret Wars upgrade as God Emperor Doom. This term, of course, comes with its own strategic implications, from a popular tactic in chess. But how would he have failed? After all, to truly beat him required first havinghim win. Although Avengers: Infinity War debuted in theaters nearly four years ago, MCU fanatics can't help but debate over one pivotal scene involving everyone's favorite Sorcerer, Doctor Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). First using the six Stones to decimate half of the universe and then themselves, he indicated that he was willing to eliminate all life everywhere in Endgame before the Avengers took him down, turning him and his army to dust. Marvel/DC. In Thanos had the infinity gauntlet, he probably has a better chance of winning but doctor Strange if one of the more smart characters in the MCU, Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. to Dream Walk, giving him the chance to venture across the multiverse and puppet his variants. He had no way of breaking out of a time loop. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness showed an alternate ending to Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame where Thanos was defeated on Earth-838. This, however, would be extremely graphic and would no doubt clash with the family-friendly image Disney cultivates, even in a literal fight for all existence. Strange will only reset his memory after the end of each loop. can any of the stones help Thanos in gaining victory if Doctor Strange has already foreseen every possible moves he could make? All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. The Quantum Realm has repeatedly been referred to as playing an important role in Endgame, and no surviving character knows the microscopic dimension better than Scott Lang. Distractify is a registered trademark. And yes, I understand that Thanos had other stones that would allow him to be less susceptible to the time stone's power, but the stones, as far as I know, don't act independently. At the center of Avengers: Endgame was Josh Brolin's Thanos, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4after his quest for the Infinity Stones made an everlasting mark on the entire MCU. I think that if the Time stone worked in that dimension, the gaunlet would work just fine, I mean the gaunlet is powered by the stones. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. Unlikely. Thanos is a master planner, he has thought of basically everything in most presentations of the character. He is a master of numerous fie -Where is Captain Marvel? When Strange was looking into the future, did he see the 5 year gap or was it like a blank void to him, and then being re-awakened again when the Hulk snaps everyone back? Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. There may be only one way to do that. That is why the story of Jesus Christ resonates so strongly with people because they believe he sacrificed himself to save everyone. All of that leads to one big question, however - what happened in all of those alternate futures that Doctor Strange saw in Avengers: Infinity War? Then we wouldn't have another potentially multi billion dollars movie. Nope, not happening. International political treaties are the reason why nuclear weapons are basically just expensive line items on a budget, not an actual tool of war now. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. He's covered a wide range of movies and TV shows - from digging out obscure MCU Easter eggs to diving deep into deeper meanings of arthouse fare - and has covered a litany of set visits, junkets and film festivals. Ant-man pops out kicks off the time heist. His best shot would be with the reality stone, but I felt the reality he projected were more of an illusion than actual reality-wraping (otherwise he could re-shape the whole universe with just that one stone instead of having to collect all six), while illusions would work on almost everyone on avengers, being a master of mystic art, Strange MIGHT be able to see through it, especially if he had prep/forseen it. Self sacrifice is the essence of what makes a hero a hero in our culture. Because out of 14 million possible outcomes there was only 1 where they succeed, and it wasn't by Dr. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. In fact, one of these solutions ended up being effective, resulting in Thanos' death during a conflict on Titan. The Illuminati Is All but Confirmed for 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness', Marvel's New Trailer for 'Doctor Strange 2' Has Fans Wondering if Wanda is the Villain, 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' Will Be the Scariest MCU Movie Yet. 14 million is closer to zero than it is to infinity. Why didn't he repeat the trick on Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War? Ben has taken a 'Film Production & Cinematography' university course, and recently completed a 'Scriptwriting' masters course, both completed at Bournemouth University. Maybe the reality stone could counter it if the user can trick the timer into undo the spell/give up the stone. However, as a Reddit fan theory from user LuckyMe111 points out, Doctor Strange did nothing to stop Star-Lord from punching Thanos and awakening him. Strange also doesn't like stark, possible he chose the first one stark dies lol. the Mind Stone, the Time Stone, and the Soul Stone. Accessing the Book of Vishanti in Earth-616's universe may have not been possible at the time ofAvengers: Infinity War, or was only an option due to the Illuminati's specific members being around in Earth-838's realm. Existence of the TVA absolutely ruins this scene for me because it doesn't matter how many outcomes they lose, the TVA were always waiting in the wings to step in and prune the timeline should they fail. ), -No Ant man still? Looking for all the world like a vengeful Hamlet, Kang holds aloft Thanos' skull, triumphant. Press J to jump to the feed. Fantastic, and Doctor Strange, Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir, the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need, because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life, Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos, Iron Man: Disney Releases Never-Before-Seen Post-Credits Clip Online, Mario MOVIE Director Confirms Princess Peach's Role Reversal. They were separated and had no real plan until it was too late. My though would be maybe its a bad idea having all of the stones except one on a desolate planet with 2 narcissists who have proven in the past not capable of respecting the consequences of using infinity stones(and one of them seems to do it again in the next Spider-Man). and Strange responds "If I tell you, it won't happen" (I'm paraphrasing here, these might not be their exact quotes), but we can infer that means that Strange thinks he's still on track with his vision (If we were already off track he could just say "No this different already but it doesn't mean its impossible to win" or something like that). Every other outcome on Titan is merely delaying eventual defeat since it is inevitable someone much worse than Thanos will one day wield one or more of the stones," the Redditor concluded. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. They were headed to Titan to fight Thanos, and he wouldn't be there if the stones weren't there. I've spoken about this many times but i will give the short version: A victory in ur eyes is not the same as a victory in the eyes of Strange. Now, the iconic villain returns in a new way during Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, showing how Avengers: Endgame could have gone a different way with the Grimace look-alike. The Mad Titan wishes to destroy Kang the Conquerer, and the Avengers want to undo the damage he's caused to the patchwork-of-time-periods Earth. They may have even ended the battle before Thanos even touched ground on Earth-838, meaning that Thanos would have been missing the Time and Mind Stones before completing the set. Display of strength is not characteristic of him. The Mad Titan could avoid this risk entirely, or it could spell out his final fate as part of Strange's larger plan. With T'Challa and Shuri among those lost to Thanos' snap, there may be no other surviving individuals from Earth capable of deciphering and repurposing the advanced technology, making the trade-off for Stark's life even more necessary. He tried to on Titan, but this time it is actually in the EOA. However, the cost would have been far too great to take on. Copyright 2023 Distractify. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? You can follow him on Twitter @samstoneshow and ask him about Nintendo, pop punk, and Star Trek. I mean if everyone has a 50/50 to live or die one could argue that the one in 14 million is the exact set of circumstances that those individuals get you be exactly ever the needed to. Theres a reason why Strange didnt use that stone. Doctor Strange in the MCU timeline is shown to defeat his opponents through magic and intelligent work. Thousands of other tiny variables that could affect the outcome of the battle. Why those possibilities didn't come up is a mystery, although it could be chalked up to Earth-616 not being in danger of an Incursion or any other kind of interactions with other universes before Spider-Man: No Way Home. Personally, I can't help but ponder that even with four stones on the gauntlet (power, space, reality and soul), Thanos would still have a difficult time (if not downright impossible) beating a time stone Doctor Strange, especially if he has prepped and time loop activitated --. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Even Thanos himself questions it during their fight. Dormammu resides in a different dimension, not a different universe. Dr Strange did attempt to take him to the mirror dimension. Stones destroyed. If this is the case,many are left wondering why Strange didn't intervene. In Infinity War, Thanos' primary goal on Titan is to get the Time Stone from Strange; bringing it out of wherever he'd hidden it to create a loop riskedexposing it to attack. In light of this, a recent fan theory proposes that Strange foresaw the emergence from Eternals. While this horrifies the other Avengers, this clearly isn't a power limited to Kang. During Infinity War, in the battle of Titan, Doctor Strange was denied the opportunity of using his time stone against Thanos due to the (IMO) ingenuine-albeit-cop-out limitation of "one victory out of 14,000,605 possibilities" imposed by the scripted writer/directors. He didn't show up to the first fight anyways, don't know if he would be there for this newer hypothetical fight. The turning tide will likely come from the most unlikely source and, with Scott Lang alive and well, the smallest Avenger may ultimately make the biggest impact. Yeah but that's when thanos was conscious, I'm saying if they tried this instead of pulling his gauntlet off when he was incapacitated, This all takes place after he sees the only way to win, so you have to assume that he did all the ideas posted here so far and none of them worked. Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. Basically, it still brings me back to my original point: unless the stones act independently, and only in the best interest of Thanos, how would Thanos be able to react in time to actually activate the other stones' powers? Not a victory. Even during a recently released Eternals deleted scene, Sprite and Makkari have a conversation about the worth of the human population. Bureaucracy being mightier than any super weapon is a a peery funny trope, but also true IRL. Based on feats and logic Strange wins all rounds via time stop. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. This bit brings up an interesting detail. Thanos could just take it, and end the loop himself. It doesn't appear as though any of the other Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy were involved with the battle this time around either, which makes sense considering just how powerful and brilliant the Illuminati's heroes are. Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. , Honestly revealing it at all is too risky he could just snap and suddenly the eye is bubbles and strange can't harness the power and then he can just walk through them either way and get it, On top of that there's nothing honestly stopping him from sending strange to the dead of space or turning him into bubbles and he an do that just as fast or faster than strangest time magic. A new fan theory for Avengers: Endgame explains why exactly Doctor Strange gave the Time Stone willingly to Thanos despite knowing the consequences. Would the outcome have been any different if Strange, Iron Man and Spidey joined up with the rest of the Avengers in Wakanda during the final fight? One could interpret the other stones as independent of time. Thanos had to win. Thanos snaps 2x. Dr. Seeing as the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need to accomplish their goals, the Illuminati probably didn't have to endure five years of hardship before going back in time to get old versions of the Stones the way the Avengers did. WebDr. Dormammu was ignorant of the stones and how they worked and how to use them. Infinity war flips this value on its head and asks if you are willing do the opposite of the heroic action in order to bring about the greater good. Strange did use the time stone against Thanos on Titan. Fans constantly theorize about Doctor Strange's sacrifice, with many claiming he gives up the Time Stone because the only way the Avengers can defeat Thanos is after he collects all of the Infinity Stones and erases half of the universe. The other key difference between the two situations is knowledge of the Time Stone. @doomstoaa: I'll ask again confirmed where? Share Improve this answer Follow edited Apr 9, 2020 at 4:42 A.R.K 103 6 All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. In the end, Doctor Strange pulls off a massive win for the Avengers and humanity because he chooses the one future scenario where the Infinity Stones are not only gone, but Thanos is also out of the picture. He once asked Tom Cruise about his supposedly fake-butt in Valkyrie (he swore it was all real). Yea, there are a lot of situations where Thanos could have pretty easily been defeated. The theory is very convincing, as it's true that without the Snap, Earth would've likely been destroyed. To see the other way Thanos met defeat, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is in theaters now. So, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his nervous system send the signal down to act on that response all in way less than the blink of an eye. Also, with how easily Thor was able to behead Thanos in the opening of Avengers: Endgame, it seems unlikely that in all14,000,605 outcomes, none of them resulted in the Gauntlet being taken from Thanos and him being killed. There's actually a lot more reasons why Strange didn't put Thanos in a time loop than it at first seems. The following contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, now playing in theaters. If the Avengers haddefeated Thanos on Titan, then the events in Eternalsmight've played out very differently. Many have assumed the Sorcerer Supreme is playing a long game, one that extends beyond his death at the snapof the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet after viewing over 14 million possible futures (14,000,605, to be precise) before his fight, though it is unclear how this will ultimately unfold in Avengers: Endgame. Also, The Ancient One mentions that she can't see beyond her death so there may have also been some in that 14 million which they did succeed but Strange died before seeing that possibility and so counted it as a fail. Furthermore, in round three when DS is given the opportunity to foresee all possibly future battle outcomes, he would know any potential tactics Thanos might use and thus could effectively steer the direction of battle away from these to ones that are more favourable toward himself. Or maybe Thanos resurrects Gamora out of grief, and this gives the Avengers the opening they need. While Strangemay not have intervenedbecause he foresaw Thanos eventually using the Gauntlet either way, the fan theory suggests that he actually wanted the Snap to occur. The stones would've just kept being a thing otherwise. Are you willing to sacrifice others in order bring about the greater good. Strength and power are not the same thing. In terms of strength physical strength no, Dr. Strange is not stronger than Thanos. Thanos is literall The rat had to free Ant-man randomly. Or maybe mind stone could take over DS mind and force him to undo/give up, but Thanos do not have time Stone here so that is out of the option. It took him 14 million possibilities to one that they succeeded in. . So, even if the reality stone or space stone could be used in ways to counteract the time stone, Thanos himself would need adequate time for his body to actually respond to the stimulus, which he wouldn't be able to do with time stopped/slowed significantly. Looking back at this scene, it appears that Thanos was well on his way to replicating what he did in the prime MCU as he fought the Illuminati on Titan. Sam Stone is a 10th level pop culture guru living just outside of Washington, DC who knows an unreasonable amount about The Beatles. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. In infinity war , he went toe to toe with Thanos who had 4 infin The primary alternate reality that takes up part of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' plot is Earth-838. What if Dr Strange kept looping time with Thanos?Just keep bargaining with Thanos until he gives up like with Dormamu.That would be quite the sight. Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain thanks to giving Thanos the Time Stone and allowing him to kill countless (in the name of eventually restoring them all). As Doctor Strange desperately tried to figure out a way to defeat Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, he peered into 14,000,605 possible futures. Honestly, we aren't even surprised because Doctor Strange has and always will be an absolute mastermind. For the same reason he didn't just cut Thanos' hand off or his head like they did the other guy. While on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. Sam Raimi's Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness reveals the way another reality defeated Thanos, and the massive cost it incurred. In the world of chess, an "endgame" strategy refers to the tactic of promoting a pawn into a more powerful piece and turn the tide of the game. However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. However, as the 2016 Doctor Strange film suggested, tampering with time comes with its own costs, including the distinct possibility of Thanos being trapped in a time loop if he potentially attempted to repair the Gauntlet. And what of the titular "endgame" itself? However,not everyone is convinced by this theory. All Rights Reserved. Could literally just slip the gauntlet right off, behead him, cut off his arms, anything, and all before he'd have time to react. WebWhile on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. He does go through some measure of self sacrifice to achieve his goals but his main thing is that other people have to be sacrificed to save everyone else. This came after this universe's Doctor Strange used the Darkhold to Dream Walk across the Multiverse and use a plan different from the one the prime Strange used in Infinity War, in which Thanos won and killed half of humanity for five years. But, weren't they only able to break out of it because they were prepared, and knew it was coming, able to then use dark magic before Strange cast the spell? RELATED: How Marvel's Eternals Hid in Plain Sight for Thousands of Years. If he knew about this event, then he may have taken it into account when giving Thanos the Time Stone. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. Regardless of the reasoning, seeing this newexperience against Thanos adds a whole new perspective to how the MCU progresses over the past 14 years and what could still be lurking over the horizon. You have raised a good point though, personally I was under the impression that the loop spell can only be undo by Doctor Strange himself (the caster), since no matter how many times Dormammu destroyed him along with the eye of agamotto which contains the stone itself (from within the time-incarnations) over and over again through countless time loops, and it still could not break the spell. And found that his passion lays in scriptwriting, where he can combine his love of movies, writing, and storytelling. So i doubt Strange can use that on such a hurry situation. It's a pretty solid supposition that this journey may provide the Avengers with a means to travel back in time without the use of the Time Stone. He currently lives in the United States and writes about Marvel, DC, Star Wars and other properties. Thanos on the other hand is the opposite. Not all powers work the same way on everyone. 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