Likely when Chris did the same thing to her she may have had some insight into herself, that this is what happened with Leonard, which caused her to try her hardest to get Chris to talk to her. They got married around 2002/2003 and divorced around 2007/2008. Can you imagine her as a single parent? And everything is LUPUS. R28, I think they bought the house before the bankruptcy. Mrs. Watts is the smallest one. On Feb. 18, over a span of five hours, Watts shared with investigators more disturbing details in how he killed his wife, Shanann, and their two daughters in August 2018. Which is what no one can explain. It doesnt matter what her past mistakes may or may not have been. Once she was done, she cut herself off from him. Plus, there was a newspaper article written about the tire place she worked in in NC, and in the article her name was spelled "Shanann," and a lawsuit filed against her with her named spelled "Shanann.". But wasnt he eligible for the GI Bill hmmmmm? In response to comments on the post, Shanann said that it was a '3 foot doll' that had been wrapped in 'their twister tarp thing'. I feel its a form of abuse to film and live broadcast your family at all times. Shanann and her two daughters, Bella and Celeste, were reported missing on August 13, 2018 in Frederick, Colorado. ^ That's a pic of Shan'ann. Why are you so concerned about what these children look like? It does seem like a few people are looking to justify her murder so that they don't feel guilty about their attraction to Chris, seriously--but I'm assuming it's mostly tongue in cheek, since even if you can feel sympathy for someone snapping and killing a bitchy frau, there's the two innocent children and all r29 I believe Chris only made 60k/year and Shan'ann MAYBE made anither 30k with the Thrive! That router article is amazing . They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. Can a Realtor pull the sale records for the house? I had no idea it was that much! No matter what most people do not resort to killing. R30, were you shilling that onesie on the old Topix forum? He deserves peace. She was a creep who wound up getting her kids killed for her control freak fuckery. ^ Why? More than a half year before their affair began. Chris even said to the investigators at one point: Bellas a smart girl, she knew what was going on. From her sketchy past and grifting ways, to the possible Munchausen Syndrome or Factitious Disorder, to the MLM scheme she was knee-deep in, to her dozens of vapid Facebook livestreams and Instagram posts now eternally available for public consumption and dissection, to her manipulation of "friends" and family, it's evident she was at best a woman desperate to appear more successful than she was ever capable of being, and at worst, a straight up con woman. The Websleuths crazies who want to blame the victim come here. Husband had crazy eyes. Chris Watts, then 33, had grown distant from his family and was seeing a new woman. I assure you i am not a moron. I followed the guy who was having an affair with Chris for over a year after he came out and he never changed his stories and would go on many details. The two met in 2010 when Chriss Lee Watts was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. The other thing that made me think he dated her because her nickname implies she has hanann was bitchy and competitive and condescending. But after ringing their doorbell and getting no answer, then seeing Shanann's white Lexus in the garage, Nickole called him. Ill never get tired of speculating about her Munchhausens. Shannan did indeed feed Bella and CeCe Thrive K. Heres an inspiring video with comments to tell you how wonderful it was. Anyway, its amazing that theres another chapter to this story; I wonder what the CO investigators could have possibly flown out to Wisconsin to hear, or what Chris could possibly think is big enough to have them come out there for. Im linking the other active DL thread (focused on Chris Watts) below. R220, did you see that house? Is it from medical? She was game to go camping and didnt take five hours to do her makeup and hair and nails. R198, I think Chris was better with money, for sure. Billions of dollars.. Ok, well millions anyway. This YouTube channel has tons of Shan'ann's Facebook Live videos where she's blathering about those sketchy Thrive products. They seem pale and fought lookingnot fat, but just a bit slack, unfocused and just unhealthy. Anyway, Chris apparently told detectives some more details about his crime according to local news reports today, but the reports didn't say what. She was a compelling personality. site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, He learned of this case from social media and news. Men are just disposing of women like theyre garbage. She didnt realize how controlling she became, according to his accusations. She must have been extremely annoying when alive. 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Facebook & its ilk are full of fraus like her -- none of them deserve to die but all of them are annoying as hell. R230, Guuurrrl, this is the only place we're allowed to talk about her Munchausen's and Munchausen's by Proxy. Technically, Chris had power in a divorce action, but because he was so trapped financially, he couldnt even start the process and learn that he did have some options. Unless the new lover is a threat to the kids or is causing financial ruin. This sub is for factual information, mourning, and speculative discussion only - no harassment of the victims or family members. The Rzucek's Say They Loved Chris At First. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN took out life insurance policies when they were married around 2004/2005 through USAA. LEONARD said that he was very interested in marriage counseling and they went to a couple sessions, but it was virtually impossible to engage SHANANN in conversation. Bella especially went through absolute hell. He was charged with five counts . There were rumors that they were defrauding employees using payroll/benefit scam. It was Bumfuck, NC, but still worth $400k. Chris was broken LONG before he met Shanann. On a waitress/retail managers salary. She was working to provide for family while her husband plotted murder. But you can see a pattern here, with Shanann Pouring herself into work and not being interested in any of the things he was up to. At home they would be in different rooms and she was always too busy for what LEONARD had going on. Covert Narcissist are incapable of real love and learn early on to mimic. and missed three mortgage payments on the house that they couldn't afford. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. According to Shananns mother, the surgery on her neck cost them $100. Watts was convicted of strangling his wife, Shanann, 34, in the house and then smothering his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, at his work site. It's very hard to lie your way through a mortgage loan process. I asked LEONARD about his relationship with SHANANN. I started a post on them but apparently they are not as fun to satirize as Shannan. Sandra Rzucek wrote that in her 2018 letter to the DA. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in Thrive. Chriss friends wife hugged Chris and Shanann forbade him from seeing that friend anymore. A live stream of the service will be provided on the Boles Funeral Homes & Crematory Facebook Page. Its for a specified amount of time I believe. Where does the need to reinforce someones mistake come from? But I do wish he had let them live, and just walked off with his truck driver girlfriend. And wondering how she could purchase the house on a retail managers salary. R147: Shannan was not any of those things. Please click here to register for free. LEONARD does not believe that the divorce decree addressed the life insurance policies. L Lynda Pringle 2 followers More information Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] Fairy Garden Diy Ex Husbands True Crime Leonard Watts Interview Anne Family Quick More information . I mean to stay would be commiting to hell. "Last summer, Shanann and her daughters spent six weeks in North Carolina with her parents and brother before returning to the Frederick, Colorado, home she shared with Chris on Aug. 7. Meanwhile, hes doing the financial math about a divorce. Back in NC, she was working for Dirty South Customs, managing the store. Jesus. Would you know my name if I saw you in Heaven? The discovery documents released by the Weld County District Attorney's office last week related to the murder investigation include an anecdote There is a FB group that has mentioned the Munchhausen, but its also something that the famous troll talks about and goofs on, so its been derailed a bit. Joint for joint expenses, and yet have your own liquid accounts. Why does everyone on this thread seem so willing to badmouth a victim none of you have met? He was sentenced to five life sentences without the possibility of parole, three to be served consecutively. I can't believe this thread got GRAY-LINED! Your latest Netflix obsession has arrived. (He was moved out of Colorado for security reasons.). Imagine sitting in a house you cannot afford with two kids and another on the way, and a wife who spends money like it is going out of style and who keeps texting you non-stop about why you aren't responding to her texts, etc.essentially, he married a harpie. Perhaps Chris thought that as well. to brutally cutting off their air supply & feeling nothing as they grunt and move around under the Yankees blanket struggling to breathe? Chris should be let out of prison and given the chance to be hot again. She was our pride and joy, a true gift from God. R135, the timing of the name change seems to perfectly coincide with her fleeing from North Carolina and the Shan'annigens she had been involved in there. Watts, 35, reportedly detailed the gruesome slaying of Shanann Watts in one of his prison letters - and he also revealed that he'd been thinking about killing her for "weeks." 15 If the tables had been turned, you bet it would have been called abuse. __________ I'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments! I think he snapped. How much did Shanann have wrapped up in inventory? A 12 yo girl took it for one day and felt amazing! what does cardiac silhouette is unremarkable mean / fresh sage cologne slopes of southern italy / ron austin claudine longet R109: if Shannnanon filed for divorce claiming adultry, pregnant with 2 children under 5, shell get what she wants. That said, my pity and heartbreak goes out to those kids and Nico. Written by on 27 febrero, 2023. All her bad decisions and shadyness led her to her violent death. in Carthage, NC. And Jim Id love to know more. Go back to your thoughts and prayers and handwringing over how things like this can happen, while never trying to actually make sense of it beyond coming to the conclusion of CRAZY. How did they swing this house?! She was not fleeing North Carolina. Has there ever been a more inept family killer? She did cheat with the dirty south guy. True R63. The family of a pregnant Colorado woman who was murdered by her husband paid tribute to her and said she was 'born to be a mother' at her joint funeral with her two daughters and unborn son. Maybe thats how she could afford to get manicures while their finances were in the shitter. She wanted the large house. You seem to like the psychopath label. Her husband should have left her & divorced her, or never married her in the first place. click ACCEPT. If you look at his fb page, shes still on his friends list. Bella was born December 17, 2013 in Colorado. Two days later, he was arrested in connection with their deaths. Women like that can get him to do anything. murdered both kids, killing the one though she fought him, I think it's safe to say he wasn't interested in being a parent AT ALL. People with less than 2 brain cells should not be allowed to comment on public posts. - they owed. The friend calling 911 early didn't leave him time to dispose of her purse, keys, kids' medicines, etc. Jesus Christ dangling from the cross what is wrong with some of you. shanann watts first marriagedream about someone faking their death. I don't think sshe would EVER have been satisfied with any sense of "enough". Just stunning. R197, If you watch the videos when she live-streams from the deck, back beyond their house looks like a dump -- literally, the city dump. She would have received spousal support but there is a time limit on that. He was sentenced Monday to. Every quality I listed was well-documented in her videos and texts which revealed her dealings with others, as well as her attitude and perspective. [quote]Its my OPINION that people who mess around with their name are waving a red flag. And he knew that in her vindictiveness she would use the children as pawns and weapons. This was from an interview with one of Shanann's Thrive friends, that they all were friendly. R154: why did Chris have her sell her house, drag her across the country, purchase a $400K house he could not afford in his name only, then murder her and their children? He used the same blanket to kill 4-year-old Bella . SHANANN was in high school when LEONARD first met her. I can only imagine the medical problems that Nico would be born with R231, yes! Jesus. How did they pay off the $400k debt? No joke. That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. R141 Your boy was fucked with or without the nosy friend. R122 Well, what is your standard? Does anyone know if hes made any statements or has spilled any tea? Being fascinated by all this doesn't mean we want to FREE CHRIS or Shan'ann DESERVED TO DIE, let alone the two innocents. Sounds like he was interested in counseling but she wasn't really into it, I'm guessing. LEONARDs current wife, dabbled in Thrive, which was the same employment as SHANANN WATTS. Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]. There was no one in Shananns life that she didnt make use of. Okay. There was also a history of her old houses sale price. He was a wimp and trapped himself in a frustrating marriage. So thats why there was so much debt.. Why is he being so cold? And then she does the usual bulldozer thing (she just couldnt help it) and buys a self-help book and demands he read it and write a fucking book report on it. The only people making money from LeVel are the owners and top tier people. https://www.businessinsider.co.za/professions-with-the-most-psychopaths-2018-5?r=US&IR=T. How she loved and cherished her. I am so very sorry all of this happened but perhaps it gives pause for thought when making decisions. She was pretty smart with her lupus act, because, like fibromyalgia, it has broad diagnostic criteria that mostly depends on patient reporting. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. A Colorado man has allegedly confessed to killing his pregnant wife and two young children after giving an earlier interview telling a completely different story. Guaranteed she didnt make enough to support herself, she needed Chris pay to keep her illusion going. But a physician assistant diagnosed it when all the MDs couldnt. Clothes, protein bars, vitamin supplements, make-up. I hope Chris is released someday, he shouldn't have to spend the rest of his life in prison. She was desperate when she realized he was done. How many of us could say we have friends that would be there the next day looking for us with cops? They withdraw and distance themselves. Why cant people see this? R199, I saw that. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month. R181: The friend is Chris Watts ex-girlfriend. Chris would have been on the hook for everything. What bank is giving a 20-something single woman making, what, $40k/year TOPS? R181, basically what we already knew. Maybe I will become Jesus. If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesn't mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. 25 Feb/23. Shanann's husband, Chris Watts, 33, can be heard singing in the background." . Christopher Lee Watts (born May 16, 1985)[1] admitted to murdering his pregnant wife Shanann Cathryn Watts (ne Rzucek; born January 10, 1984) by strangulation. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. Otherwise they can claim whatever and whos to say they are lying? He had already been contacted by NBC News. Shanann was married to a man named Leonard Kim and they got divorced in 2009. I need you to meet me halfway. They came out here with no jobs, no place to live, a house to sell in NC, and a wedding to plan in NC. A Funeral Mass will be held 1PM on Saturday, September 1st 2018 at Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church in Pinehurst with Rev. This is the business where its rumored Shanann. ^ to be fair, Trent Bolte has them all beat in the crazy department. How do you think she bought that house on a retail managers salary? ^^ he would excuse her cunty behavior by saying she was having a bad day but it happened all the time. Do there was financial issues going on. SHANANN was in high school when LEONARD first met her. The family of Shanann Watts paid tribute to the slain Colorado mom, her two daughters and . I've been following the story somewhat closely, too. Yes, R228, I agree with everything you wrote. He buried them at his place of work and left a bedsheet in the field. Two years to get the diagnosis she wanted. Hello and thank you for registering. Shanann Watts was about 15 weeks pregnant when police say her husband, Chris Watts, killed her and their girls Monday, Aug. 13, 2018. It looks like they plopped a development in the middle of nowhere. Shannan loved her husband. The documentary pieced together the events . And nursing school, befriending nurses and working in a childrens hospital? Some features on this site require registration. Shanann Watts, 34, posted the creepy image to Facebook on August 9 She appeared to think her daughters, ages three and four, posed the doll Shanann and the two girls were all killed days. that they could have a credit rating for a house like that. Shanann Watts, 34, had two young daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste - who went by CeCe-, 3, with Chris Watts. I feel like I need to add something special to my name too. This was all a conspiracy to defraud Anadarko out of hundreds of millions of dollars in a wrongful death suit. Perhaps they were close at one time. She seems like an attention whore. 19398 Hathaway Ln, Warrensville Heights, OH 44122 was recently sold on 08-18-2022 for $164,000. I'm not at all surprised she was able to get the $ to build and furnish that house. Watts' wife was 15 weeks pregnant. Just saying, R244 Like that YouTube family whose kid died of a random heart or brain condition and they livestreamed his funeral "for the fans". Then lived there as long as she could before filing bankruptcy. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering. All i could think of while watching this video, is what was going thru the minds of financially strapped husbands watching their wives spend money they didn't have on these scams? ^ Um, yes she was. Wife of Christopher Lee (Chris) Watts and Private r50 frankly even the kids seemed hard to root for. R143: She didnt change her name. Thats bullshit made up by her crazy ass, psycho in-laws the ones that raised a murderer. R146 If the Watts murders hadn't occurred I think as time went on the children would've been increasingly, negatively impacted by Shannan's hypochondria, delusional thinking, over-spending, vindictiveness and general megalomania. R58 even sounds offended that they don't meet his standards for child attractiveness. Does that mean he should kill me, too?). There's no such suggestion of that scenario in the discovery. Shanann Watts and her two young daughters, Celeste and Bella -- who were allegedly killed by Watts' husband the girls' father -- were mourned at their funeral Saturday, along with Watts' unborn son, Nico. 1. The girls needed two years of doctor visits before they finally received the correct diagnosis of asthma (the diagnosis was made by a PA). I think he did the world a favor by offing her. I just dont get the callousness towards the girls. I sure hope he does. Holy fuck. I think Chris is secretly relieved to be in prison. He saw no way out of the disastrous mess ( bossy shrew wife with hypochondria, destroying them financially and alienating the children from him while destroying their characters). Google 'Bella and Celeste Watts People.com' under Google images. Colorado takes moving, and parental alienation, very seriously. Meanwhile, she was torturing and starving her children. Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant at the time she was killed. They declared bankruptcy a couple of years ago, and, in 2018, they were already in debt to the tune of almost 500K. Back to Shan'ann, I think r154 has it right. We were so blessed to have such a joyful and wonderful daughter whose beauty was that of a doll. Just like Shanann had her parents Sandra and Frank move in in 2015/2016 meanwhile while Shanann/Chris and Sandra/Frank file BK? But yeah. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN left her cell phone at home. That's idiotic R70. Its endlessly fascinating. I would love to hear about shanann's personality from her call center colleagues. R144, Sure she fled. He had heard about the case in which SHANANN and her children were missing. That whole stunt with the MIL was something my mother would have done. Her folks referred to her as Shannan at Chris's sentencing and she was named in thar lawsuit against the rim shop as Shannan King (her first husband's surname). Can we get a link to something about her. Identity is an interesting thing. I thought this thread was entitled 'Let's talk about Shannan Watts' as an excuse to get back to talking about Chris? She was an odious frau and I could believe she was a Munchausen's case. American Murder: The Family Next Door focuses on the 2018 disappearance of Shanann Watts and her two young . The mother seemed to know or assume that her two daughters had staged the creepy dead doll, writing around 2.30pm: 'At least they covered the body together. They were good marks, since they sold everything in 2015, quit their jobs, and moved in with Chris and Shanann for 15 months while Shanann was pregnant with CeCe, who was born July, 2015. A financial, medical, and emotional con! Why would you bury your dead wife only a foot and a half underground? The Watts family murders occurred in Frederick, Colorado, United States, during the early morning hours of August 13, 2018. Shanann was still very good friends with her ex husbands mother too. I'm laughing at Scam'Ann and Sham'Ann. Chris Owns his dysfunctional behavior. He buried Shanann in a shallow grave near an oil-storage facility, and dumped his children's bodies into crude oil tanks. Today, February 1, was Shannan's due date for her unborn baby. And she wasnt flipping. I thought, "huh. Connect to the World Family Tree to find out, Source: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192280780/shan_ann-cathryn-rzucek, Jan 10 1984 - Passaic, Passaic, New Jersey, United States, Aug 13 2018 - Erie, Boulder, Colorado, United States, Bella Marie Watts, Celeste Cathryn Watts, Nico Lee Watts, Source: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192280791/bella-marie-watts, Clifton, Passaic County, New Jersey, United States, Frederick, Weld County, Colorado, United States, Bethesda Cemetery, Aberdeen, Moore County, North Carolina, United States, North Carolina, Mecklenburg County Marriage Index, 1884-2019, Burial of Shan'ann C. King-Watts (Rzucek), Aberdeen, Moore County, North Carolina, United States. He couldve extracted himself from Shanann without too much damage. Like he obviously must be to kill people. By Amy Mackelden Published: Oct 5, 2020. I dont have anything bad to say about her non-scam job at a call center in a childrens hospital. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN took out life insurance policies when they were married around 2004/2005 through USAA. I cant figure out how they got so deeply in debt AGAIN after the first bankruptcy. I asked about SHANANNs skills in conflict resolution. Oh yes. Have you forgotten what he did to her and his own children? Does anyone know when she began calling herself Shan'ann and why? She expected to quietly . Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking about their relationship) TV NEWS 1.38K subscribers Subscribe 44K views 3 years ago Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking. And Chris shouldve bolted before, or right after, that ridiculous 2015 BK, where it was largely due to his wifes spending and the fact that she quit her real job. Why? Together with the idiotic sheriff from the Jayme Closs story, I cannot help but think, "Holy crap, Law Enforcement in this country is populated with total idiots.". The description of what he did to those little girls. They filed for bankruptcy due to do much debt they had.